{"id":199780,"date":"2026-08-06T08:35:27","date_gmt":"2026-08-06T12:35:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/innowise.com\/?page_id=199780"},"modified":"2026-08-07T10:48:47","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T14:48:47","slug":"ai-agents-defi-web3","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/innowise.com\/nl\/expert-tips\/ai-agents-defi-web3\/","title":{"rendered":"Voorbij de hype-cyclus: AI-agenten, DeFi en het opbouwen van Web3 met blijvende kracht"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"199780\" class=\"elementor elementor-199780\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ee55872 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"ee55872\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f0bdd65 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"f0bdd65\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f221097 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"f221097\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e66fbdc e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"e66fbdc\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f02953c elementor-widget-tablet__width-initial hero-title elementor-widget__width-initial elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"f02953c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Past the hype cycle: AI agents, DeFi, and building Web3 with staying power<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1773860 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"1773860\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-caa1805 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"caa1805\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4b8bfd2 icon-mob elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"4b8bfd2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/innowise.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/Icon_mob.svg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-image-196144\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-77260de elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"77260de\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Aug 8, 2026<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0c1e686 elementor-widget elementor-widget-shortcode\" data-id=\"0c1e686\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"shortcode.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-shortcode\">[summarize_button_ai title=\"Summarize with AI\"]<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c5b2677 elementor-widget__width-initial elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c5b2677\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How much would you trust an AI agent to manage your money? Analyze your portfolio? Prepare a transaction? Trade on your behalf? What about moving funds across multiple blockchains without having to understand what\u2019s happening behind the scenes?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These questions are at the heart of episode 755 of the BlockHash Podcast, where host <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/brandonzemp\/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Aorganization_admin_admin_page_posts_published%3B0be38937-fe94-4dbb-8503-54bc08005305\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brandon Zemp<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> speaks with Andrew Nalichaev, Blockchain Domain Expert at Innowise, CEO of Haia, and CTO of Haust Network.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tune in for Andrew\u2019s take on why <\/span><a href=\"\/services\/blockchain\/consulting\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">blockchain<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> may work best when users barely notice it, how AI agents could change DeFi, 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Open links with Enter or Space, close with Escape, and navigate with Arrow Keys\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7500\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" open>\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"1\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-expanded=\"true\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7500\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Who is Andrew Nalichaev? <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7500\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e099d22 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"e099d22\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c88ae6d elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c88ae6d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Andrew, I would love to hear a bit about yourself, if you don&#8217;t mind. Tell us a bit about your background. How did you get interested in this space? Everyone&#8217;s kind of got an interesting story, so I would love to hear yours.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I think I\u2019ve been in this space for a long time, more than eight years now, maybe more. It\u2019s difficult to count. But the most important part is that throughout this time, I\u2019ve never switched to any other domains. So eight years here is a real eight years.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I started with classical finance, and I completed another bachelor\u2019s degree in blockchain. It\u2019s pretty funny that I actually work in line with my education. Initially, it was just about new financial mechanisms, something unique in this space. But then I realized that blockchain as a technology, and the DeFi space, can change not just fintech or how we think about banks.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There\u2019s a pretty popular slogan that we will bank the unbanked, but in reality, the potential of this technology is much greater. Nowadays, at Innowise, we work not only with fintech, but also on transforming supply chains, logistics, medical and healthcare data, and even DNA tokenization. There are more and more use cases.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m pretty sure we\u2019ll at least touch on AI agents, machine learning in general, and GPTs or Claude, whatever. I see huge potential in integrating what we have in blockchain with what AI agents can provide. So, it would be nice if we could touch on this topic.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7501\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"2\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7501\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> What is Haia and Haust Network? <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7501\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f0eb53b e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"f0eb53b\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2625663 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2625663\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, it\u2019s very exciting. I think what we\u2019ve seen with AI and how they\u2019ve been able to find an intersection with blockchain, and some of the exciting niches that are starting to pop up over the last two years, is really interesting. I think it was around 2024 when I saw this start to crop up for the first time.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think there are a lot of cool things that can be done on-chain with agents, and vice versa, for security in the space and whatnot. I definitely have some questions in regard to that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Before we do, I\u2019d love to hear a little bit about your roles with both Haia and Haust. I know you\u2019re CEO of Haia and CTO of Haust Network. Do you want to give us a brief overview of what those are all about, what your role comprises, and what your day-to-day looks like, just to give a bit more context?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, let\u2019s start with Haust because it was the first project. Haust Network is an L2 ZK-rollup with some native DeFi mechanisms and account abstraction.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We developed the chain itself, the whole DeFi layer on top of it, and wallets that allow people to work not just with Haust Network, but with some other major chains. The core concept with Haust was that it should have a native yield mechanism. In the last crypto summer, let\u2019s say, it really sounded like an interesting idea, and basically, we developed it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But then we recognized that the next step should be integrating this DeFi stuff and on-chain activities, or any on-chain actions, with AI agents. We decided to create Haia, an agentic web solution that allows people to interact with many different DeFi components, different chains, and on- and off-ramping.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I can say it\u2019s an alternative interface for interacting with blockchain in a non-custodial way. Right now, anyone can create an agent with whom you need to share your private key and then just pray for something. But we\u2019re absolutely on the other side. I can\u2019t agree that people should share their private keys with agents.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s a fully non-custodial solution. A user can just say, \u201cOkay, I want to transfer 1,000 USDT to my grandma. Let it be on Arbitrum.\u201d The agent says, \u201cSorry, but you don\u2019t have enough liquidity on the destination chain. Let me aggregate the liquidity across many chains, across your Ethereum, Polygon, or whatever chain it is, and then make one transfer.\u201d The user signs it in a non-custodial way.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What I\u2019m trying to say is that we see these possibilities. We see that more and more projects are trying to create their own agents. For example, OpenSea says, \u201cOkay, you\u2019re able to trade NFTs with our AI agents,\u201d which is cool. It\u2019s really good, but it can\u2019t satisfy all users or cover the biggest part of user intent around how to work with blockchain.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It could be trust, investment, or whatever it is. The good news, and the coolest part about Haia, is that it\u2019s an agentic web. That means there are different agents responsible for different actions: analysis, news, trading, on- and off-ramping, sharing, or whatever. Any external agents can be added to this.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At Innowise, Haia was the first time we tried to build something like this. It wasn\u2019t the first time we integrated blockchain with AI agents in a different way, but Haia is the first for real interaction.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nowadays, we work on more cases for banks, institutions, and companies that want to add this to their products. It can be a wallet, a fintech application, or whatever. All of it should include some AI components, but it can be implemented in many different ways.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We see that Haia can be one MCP used to connect external services and be connected inside a bigger agentic AI system.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7502\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"3\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7502\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Opportunities for AI in DeFi <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7502\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ac7036f e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"ac7036f\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a957c64 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a957c64\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What opportunities do you see for AI being integrated into the financial side of blockchain, with DeFi, for example? I imagine there are a lot of different possibilities that we\u2019ve briefly touched on here.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fundamentally, how do you think that will change the way people interact with centralized finance in the future, given their ability to do things autonomously or perhaps give agents access to their private keys, which scares me a little but might become a reality? They may also do trading and analysis for us. I imagine that\u2019s going to change DeFi quite a bit.<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sure. Let\u2019s start with the basics. The most understandable use case is analysis. AI can analyze a portfolio, a DeFi position, the health factor, or whatever it is. Basically, we implemented this in Haia, but it\u2019s just a low level.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The next step is converting the user\u2019s intent into on-chain transactions without execution. So, using my example, I want to send 1,000 USDT to my granny. Can you prepare the transaction for me? Or can you analyze the transaction? It can also provide notifications, news analysis, or whatever else.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The next step, which I honestly don\u2019t really like, is trading. For example, if you\u2019re a memecoin trader and you want to allow your agent to interact with a trading platform, that\u2019s also possible. But if something happens, who will be responsible for it? Or you need to sit close to your laptop and just approve, approve, approve, approve. So, it\u2019s definitely not the best user experience.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But the next step, and what I really like, is this concept of Web4. What does it mean? It means integrating agents with blockchain. Blockchain is a layer of truth, and it\u2019s also a way to provide a mandate to the agent: \u201cYou can do only this with my account.\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This can be done without sharing or disclosing any private key. You can define what the agent can do, for what amount, in which scenarios, what the limitations are, and in which cases it can act. It should also be time-limited.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Basically, I\u2019ve written a lot of articles about this concept. For fintech and blockchain to work with AI agents, we need tools that limit what agents can do, in which situations, what the triggers are, and who is responsible. It should definitely be limited by money, time, or whatever else is required.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Luckily, what I can see now is that the biggest companies are starting to think about agent-to-agent payments and mandates. Blockchain is a pretty powerful tool for being this source of truth and recording the result of AI activity.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You mentioned that you first heard about the integration of AI agents with blockchain in 2024, right?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I think so. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/><\/span><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Our first contact with this idea was in 2023, when we started building a solution that used blockchain to record the results of compliance checks performed by AI agents on-chain. At that time, it was more about algorithms and machine learning.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nowadays, agents can execute actions. For execution, we need to record what they can do, under which conditions, and somehow limit them by design, let\u2019s say.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7503\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"4\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7503\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Why blockchain projects fail chasing innovation <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7503\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f2fff3e e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"f2fff3e\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-509ee41 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"509ee41\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, we don\u2019t need a Skynet-type scenario. I don\u2019t think we\u2019re necessarily in that realm, but it leads into another question I wanted to ask you about innovation versus products.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When you have something like AI, it\u2019s fun to move fast and see what you can do with it. Agents are a great example of that, considering what they can do on our behalf and how much we can delegate to them, whether that\u2019s trading, running accounts, or interacting economically with other agents. There are so many possibilities, but they come with risks too. There\u2019s a reward and a risk to moving fast and breaking things, as the old Silicon Valley notion goes.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Do you think a lot of blockchain projects fail, despite having impressive technology, because they pursue innovation so quickly that they lose sight of the problem they\u2019re trying to solve? This doesn\u2019t apply only to AI. I think we\u2019ve seen it with many things in the blockchain space.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are your thoughts on innovation versus building a product?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s a cool question. I\u2019m coming at it more from the development and technology side. I\u2019ve participated in many projects with absolutely brilliant technology that didn\u2019t achieve any significant results from a financial or use-case perspective.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Even now, you can see many projects with really impressive technology behind them, and I\u2019m a big fan of some of those solutions, but they don\u2019t achieve user adoption or find real use cases.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Each time, I say, \u201cOkay, guys, we need a pretty strong marketing team just to let people know that this thing exists, that we can be the best solution for a particular problem, and that the services we provide can be used to solve it.\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Over the last five years, I\u2019ve spoken with maybe 600 different leads or projects that wanted to build something. Each time, I tell them, \u201cYou should be prepared to spend half of your budget on marketing. Just accept it.\u201d Without marketing and without hype around the project, unfortunately, even brilliant technology can fail.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But on the other side, I\u2019ve heard people from marketing and product teams say, \u201cWe can spend any budget on marketing, but without technology and real use cases, it still means nothing.\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think the industry should start treating Web3 like a regular business. For businesses, having a roadmap for the next two or three years is completely normal. We can compare it with Anthropic or OpenAI. They\u2019re prepared to spend a lot of money on compute and even on tokens, because we pay less than what the tokens actually cost. They accept that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Unfortunately, most crypto projects think, \u201cWe\u2019re in the trend right now. We\u2019re riding the hype, so we can achieve some goals within a few months.\u201d But what happens next? They don\u2019t know, because the trend can change.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think these are really just the first baby steps. It\u2019s like a gold rush. But in reality, we should be more careful with our budgets and start with the problem. Technology should be the answer to a problem, rather than the reason to build something.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7504\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"5\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7504\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> How to determine Web3 product market fit <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7504\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ff8990b e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"ff8990b\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-094bfd4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"094bfd4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you\u2019re a builder looking for a project, or maybe even an investor looking to invest in one, with hundreds of thousands of different projects out there, sometimes chasing narratives and hype cycles, is there a way to determine whether a Web3 project has genuine product-market fit versus simply benefiting from market excitement? Or is that actually very hard to see because so many projects do that?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> For me, the most important question is: do we really need a token for this project? If the token answers a real pain point, then all good.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The next question is whether the project is just trying to get a bigger slice of the pie or trying to make the pie itself bigger. If it\u2019s the second option, then it\u2019s really cool.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In my ideal world, and Haia is also an answer to this, users should start using your product without understanding that they\u2019re actually interacting with blockchain.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can imagine a granny trying to pay her bills or buy food. She uses blockchain, but she doesn\u2019t need to understand it. It\u2019s the same as with email. We just send an email. Who really knows how it works? The same goes for smartphones or iPhones. Almost no one knows how they actually work, but everyone uses them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think that if your product meets a few of these criteria, then it may have product-market fit. We can name a few more criteria, but the most important one is this: without blockchain, without the Web3 hype, and without everything around it, does the product really solve a problem or address a pain point?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If the answer is yes, then all good. Then you can ask the next question: do we really need the token?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Unfortunately, even projects with the best technology and the best solutions can see their token price go down if there are no real use cases for the token. What\u2019s happening with your product or business and what\u2019s happening with the price of your token can be two completely different processes that aren\u2019t connected to each other.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7505\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"6\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7505\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> How to approach token launches <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7505\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f7da840 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"f7da840\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bd53548 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"bd53548\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I mean, I\u2019m so tired of token launches, man. I swear, after 2021, I think a lot of people got tired of them too. There have just been so many chasing that short-term speculation. I think it has burned out a lot of the space.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Do you have any thoughts on how founders should approach that going forward? I know token launches can sometimes be a good mechanism for raising capital for a project, and I don\u2019t think they\u2019re necessarily all bad. It\u2019s just when they\u2019re approached with that short-term mindset, right?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What do you think needs to change in the incentive structure or tokenomics to create a launch or token that\u2019s more focused on long-term value rather than this short-term crap?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We\u2019re still talking in Web3 terms: tokenomics, token launches, and so on. But these aren\u2019t answers. They\u2019re just tools for achieving something.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think we need to grow up a bit and start thinking of it as a business. For example, when you build a business strategy or create a real-world or digital business, you calculate your revenue, ROI, and other parameters.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you start with those parameters, then a token launch, raising Web3 capital, or getting funding for your idea is simply a tool for launching your product. It isn\u2019t the final step for the project.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I really think we need to use the same metrics for crypto-related projects that we use for traditional businesses. The good news is that we\u2019ve accumulated a lot of expertise in how to make deals and launch businesses. We\u2019ve had thousands of years to learn how to establish entities that solve problems, starting from when people exchanged oil for water, let\u2019s say.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today, we can apply the same metrics to blockchain projects. You can already see this in cross-border payments, where blockchain, stablecoins, and other tokens are simply the answer to a problem, not the main idea.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For example, we see many businesses in Africa that need to make payments to the United Kingdom, but bank transfers take a lot of time and involve many fees and commissions. We can avoid some of these issues and solve the problem using stablecoins. Blockchain is simply a low-level tool here, not the main point.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today, we work with many institutions, including banks and fintech companies. They don\u2019t look at blockchain only as a libertarian idea or concept. For them, it\u2019s a tool.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If it provides the answer, then we need to apply the same metrics we use in regular business to achieve success in this field as well.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7506\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"7\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7506\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Advice to founders in Web3 <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7506\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-23b4a4d e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"23b4a4d\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5d3d238 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5d3d238\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I agree. What other advice would you give to a founder at the beginning of their entrepreneurial journey? What do people often learn only through experience and mistakes but should definitely know much earlier?<\/span><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Okay, first of all, I\u2019ve seen a lot of projects trying to build something that\u2019s relevant right now, but during development, in six months or a year, it may no longer be relevant. So you need to make some predictions about trends and expectations.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You also need to conduct deep due diligence into what already exists. Each time, ask yourself, \u201cIf this is such a brilliant idea, why hasn\u2019t anyone implemented it before?\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Then, when you see that you have some comparative advantage, something unique that only you have, it\u2019s totally fine. For example, if we\u2019re talking about tokenization and someone says, \u201cOkay, I want to tokenize something,\u201d in most cases, it\u2019s apartments or real estate. It\u2019s a slightly boring topic because anyone who owns at least one property can try to tokenize it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But in some cases, you may have a mine, a unique asset, or industrial diamonds, and your own factories producing those industrial diamonds. Only you have that asset. You can see that a secondary market doesn\u2019t exist for it, so tokenization could be an answer. That sounds great because only you can implement it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s the first question. Only then can you start looking for technologies that can be used or implemented to achieve your business goals.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your first research will probably involve deep research with ChatGPT, Claude Code, or whatever. But then you\u2019ll still need to talk to a real expert who has spent years in the industry.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Most of the difficulties will appear where your solution sits between two or more worlds, components, or narratives. For example, IoT plus blockchain plus AI agents.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The biggest mistake is doing some small amount of research and saying, \u201cOkay, I can connect blockchain with IoT and AI, and everything will be good.\u201d In reality, most of the issues and effort won\u2019t be in the blockchain or IoT itself, but somewhere between them, in the gaps between the technologies and even in communication.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I really advise working with third parties. One party provides one service, another provides another service, and you try to combine them. But you still need experts who have previously worked with both and can say, \u201cOkay, you\u2019ll face this problem, this issue, and these difficulties. You\u2019ll also spend time waiting for documentation,\u201d or whatever it may be.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A lot of documentation isn\u2019t public, so you need access to internal knowledge and to talk with an expert. But start with the question, \u201cWhy hasn\u2019t anyone else tried to build this?\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Make sure you understand what you\u2019re getting into. You can\u2019t just vibe through life. Due diligence and research are very important. Make sure you fully understand what you\u2019re getting into, and only then start a discovery phase with an expert to go even deeper and gain knowledge you can\u2019t collect from AI agents or the internet.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7507\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"8\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7507\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Roadmap for Andrew, Haia &amp; Haust <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7507\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-44cad07 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"44cad07\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c04b17b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c04b17b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, what are you up to this year? What can we expect from you? What\u2019s on the horizon for Haia and Haust? Is there anything we should keep an eye out for?<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, definitely. As I said, with Haia, we want to implement mandates based on account abstraction in the next update to simplify how people interact with blockchain, funds, and everything around them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I also think we\u2019ll see more integrations, including external services, new blockchains, and other components. More broadly, I think we\u2019ll go deeper into working with institutions.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This applies not only to the Haust and Haia concepts. Our crypto community, development teams, and people at Innowise will also go deeper into institutional integrations and the connection between blockchain and AI agents, or the Web4 narrative.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m not talking about agents that simply analyze my transactions. That definitely isn\u2019t Web4. Agents should be able to execute or do something without our constant attention, but we still need to control the process.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think this will apply not only to financial use cases, but also to areas such as defense, government, and identity. I\u2019m pretty sure this will become one of the next major trends in the industry.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<details id=\"e-n-accordion-item-7508\" class=\"e-n-accordion-item\" >\n\t\t\t\t<summary class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title\" data-accordion-index=\"9\" tabindex=\"-1\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e-n-accordion-item-7508\" >\n\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-header'><div class=\"e-n-accordion-item-title-text\"> Where to follow Andrew\u2019s work <\/div><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class='e-n-accordion-item-title-icon'>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-opened' ><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M30 25L20 15L10 25\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class='e-closed'><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" viewBox=\"0 0 40 40\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M10 15L20 25L30 15\" stroke=\"#C63031\" stroke-width=\"2\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span>\n\t\t<\/span>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/summary>\n\t\t\t\t<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"e-n-accordion-item-7508\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bd26200 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"bd26200\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c72210e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c72210e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exciting. Where can people go to learn more and keep up with everything you\u2019re working on? Do you have websites, social media, or a blog? Where would you suggest people go?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Definitely my own website. That\u2019s where you can find the most in-depth articles. You don\u2019t need to read all of them. You can just go to <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/andrewnalichaev.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">andrewnalichaev.com<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and ask your agent to analyze them for you. That\u2019s probably the easiest way.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We\u2019ve also posted many articles, expert tips, and interviews on the <\/span><a href=\"\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Innowise<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> website. Those are more useful for getting a general overview. If you\u2019re thinking, \u201cWhat should I create?\u201d, visit the Innowise website and look through the articles, expert tips, and interviews.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you already know what you want to build and need additional information, you can check my website or contact Innowise. We have a very strong technical team, with many architects and domain experts.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The coolest part about the company is that we have separate teams for different domains, including <\/span><a href=\"\/ai\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">machine learning<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, <\/span><a href=\"\/finance\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">fintech<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and <\/span><a href=\"\/services\/iot-consulting\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">IoT<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. We can collaborate internally to answer almost any question.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can also find me on <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/nalichaev\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">X<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, although it provides less detailed information than the websites or blogs.<\/span><\/p><p><b>Brandon: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So many social platforms these days, but yes, those are the key ones. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/><\/span><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And there will be more.<\/span><\/p><p><b>Brandon:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Oh, of course. At some point, we\u2019ll probably have agents doing these episodes for us, managing our social media, and acting as our public-facing identities. So we should enjoy it while we can, right?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Awesome. Andrew, I appreciate it. It\u2019s been a good conversation. I loved learning about what you\u2019ve been working on at Haia and Haust, and hearing your take on AI in the industry, founders, and what they should be doing, and token launches. We covered quite a bit.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I appreciate it. Let\u2019s definitely talk again in the near future.<\/span><\/p><p><b>Andrew:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Sure thing. See you. Take care.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/details>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0a35e7e e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"0a35e7e\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-adecca5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"adecca5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Meet the interviewee<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c61bd35 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"c61bd35\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1ac612e e-grid e-con-full e-con e-child\" data-id=\"1ac612e\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-820b9cb elementor-widget__width-inherit elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"820b9cb\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"180\" height=\"180\" src=\"https:\/\/innowise.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Andrew-Nalichaev-1.png\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-194961\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/innowise.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Andrew-Nalichaev-1.png 180w, https:\/\/innowise.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Andrew-Nalichaev-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/innowise.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Andrew-Nalichaev-1-12x12.png 12w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 180px) 100vw, 180px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ccfffaa e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"ccfffaa\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-387da2e fioBottom elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"387da2e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/innowise.com\/authors\/andrew-nalichaev\/\">Andrew Nalichaev<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-10520fc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"10520fc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Blockchain Expert &amp; 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